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I'll shake on that.

IP --

I'm declaring war against the word "nuance", it's been used so much in this campaign for weaseling out of what was actually said that I have an immediate dislike of that word. :)

Call it NDS (nuance derangement syndrome).

Also, No harm no foul. We're all a bit sensitive, and although I still don't agree with you on the Glenn Beck thing, C'est La Vie, I'm not going to start a flame war over what we interrupreted from a talk show host's bit that lasted about 5 minutes. Your opinion versus my opinion and no one wins that.

baxtrice:

"Okay, well throwing in the nuance bit, and then projecting what you think to be my opinion without really knowing it aside..."

I didn't project anything. I said "I bet," which is not projecting but, uh betting. Other than that you took offene at my use of the word 'nuanced,' which wasn't aimed at you but all the people who've spitting fire for two years and now want to pledge allegiance not to the flag, but to Barack Obama. You make your own call on where you stand with that but of gymnastics.

You know. Conservatives are being mighty touchy these days about all this shit. And it IS shit.

I understand everyone's frustration. But please remember hat you're mad about and who you're really mad at.

I'm not having this problem. I'm mad at moderate Republicans who promoted McCain and then crossed over to vote fo Obama. I'm mad at conservative masochists who couldn't stop firing their rifles at McCain long enough to keep Obama from being elected and are now furiously pissed off that we have a Manchirian candidate president-elect.

Everybody else on the conservative side I'm being tolerant with. I was polite to you. I just disagreed. And got a cheap shot in return. Put that in the context of the Glen Beck performance we were just discussing. You can get mad at a disappointed McCain supporter who can't let go of the birth certificate issue, and you can get huffy with me for defending him. But you're sympathetic with a man who's been proclaiming this election "1860" for months and now wants to take credit for congratulating Jefferson Davis on his fine electoral victory?

Fine. Okay. I get it. Conservatives right now are all out of their fucking minds, so mad they can't see straight, and willing to take it out on anybody who demurs from anything they say.

Good. No harm done. Get it out of your system. Eventually, there's work to be done. What i suggest in the interim is that everybody who's so pissed and hyper-sensitive put together a post attacking ME for losing the election. I'll print it. You'll feel better. I'll dig up a picture of Obama saluting the flag. You can love it and hate it simultaneously and blame me for posting it.

Then. Maybe. Some of you. Will start thinking again.

Unless you've quit that for the nect eight years or so.

Let me know.

P.S. Nothing perosnal here baxtrice. There's a lot of this going around. Short tempers and such. Mine too. I'm more than willing to tear a strip off the first person who starts lecturing me about what it is to be an America citizen. I'm just using your comment to issue the challenge. COME ON.

Why do conservatives have to be such flaming assholes?

Okay, well throwing in the nuance bit, and then projecting what you think to be my opinion without really knowing it aside..I don't care for our President Elect. I don't like the fact that the left had a giant hissy fit for 8 years and now if the right dares to say a single word out of context we get unity preached down our throats. But this is our world. I posted my comment to help frame the argument to your readers. I realize that Beck isn't exactly a Party line toady and some people don't like him for that.

I'll reserve calling Beck a bully because it was his show and his phone lines and he can do what he wants with it. If he offends me, I can turn the dial or turn it off.

Baxtrice:

I respectfully disagree with you. Beck was well on his way to losing his temper before the birth certiificate matter came up.

And would the situation have gone so ugly if Beck had made the multiple contract arrgumnt I made here. I doubt it.

What's happening is that this "he's my President" requirement is upsetting a lot of people who can't accomplish that particular emotional somersault on a dime. They feel they're being belittled and criticized by the very people who encouraged them to put every ounce of heart and soul into opposing Obama's election. So if having lost, they are immediately as bad as the worst of the BDS sickos is they don't stand up and salute a president-elect they despise? That's what they're being told.

It's a phony issue. Beck was wrong. The others who are making a big deal out of it are wrong. And in your defense of Beck on this, I must tell you I think YOU'RE wrong. He was a jerk and a bully to a guy who was grasping at straws to account for an emotion he was being told he shouldn't have.

Not everybdoy whose instincts are right and moral about the important things is the sharpest knife in the drawer. They don't have to be. And they don't deserve to be abused for having insufficiently "nuanced" emotions.

Hell. I'm smart. And MY emotions aren't that nuanced. Are yours? REALLY?

I'm betting you'll be as mad as a spitting cobra about the Obama coronation within a month, tops. Keep me informed about your progress on that.

IP --

I'm a Glenn Beck listener, and I heard the incident to which you were referring, I think you're taking Glenn to task with the wrong stick.

Glenn screamed at the caller to get off the phone because of the "Birth Certificate" claims. Beck is tired of the callers that call in to question it, he's stated that if there was a kernel of truth to that story, something would have been done about it. At this point, that dog won't hunt. Glenn is advocating we once again go with the "civility" route as we rebuild and don't descend into the depths of the KOS kiddies and the rest of the leftist swamps. Whether you agree with his assesment is yours, but don't distort the reality of what happened.

He's not giving anyone a pass, he's trying to tell his listeners to move past what happened and start preparing for the worst. Because at this point the politics is useless, and Glenn knows it. He's saying, "Hey! Better start storing food and ammo -- it's going to get bad! Real bad."

Fortunately, as a Canadian, there does not have to be any acceptance on my part at all, beyond the obvious acknowledgement that he holds that office. "Honor the emperor" is an injunction directed to citizens (OK, slaves too). That being said, the general approval and rejoicing up here at Obama’s election is downright insane. A protectionist democrat in the white house is bad enough. The impact a radical redistributive transnational elitist will have beyond your borders is beyond mere concern. I’ve got this warm tingle down my leg, too. I’ve also got a puddle in my shoe.

Obama will be my president, but he will not be my liege.

.

Comprehensively effin said. I agree, but I think what Beck and most other conservatives really means is that we WILL NEVER call Obama worse than Hitler (and certainly not McChimpy), or side with terrorists, dictators and 'enemy' countries over OUR President.

Conservatives must try to influence the President with sensible debate and persuasion. The main reason the Left is so vicious is because the so-called 'Progressive' ideology is bankrupt at its core, and deep, deep, deep down where logic and rational thoughts dwell, I think they know it.

I want to believe that Obama won't be as bad as some people think, but I'm quite sure, that at best, he won't be as good as most people hope he will be.

I wish this site had come out earlier, I had some Obamabot friends finding out that they had big differences with Obama's positions:

http://www.barackobamatest.com/

Years ago I was knocked off the voting rolls here in this very Blue City when I was a Republican, on election day I found out I was knocked off as an Un-Affiliated. Next time I should register as a Democrat, maybe I won't get knocked off then.

The biggest dangers come from the Left anyway, so my votes in this Blue State's closed primaries would be more important there.

Telling Moonbats I'm a Democrat would stop some in their tracks too, maybe making it easier to chip away at the false veneer of so-called 'progressivism'.

Let's hope he does well, at least not too badly, with the least amount of despair possible. May God Bless and help guide President Obama. And may God Bless and help save America! Keep the faith!

.

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God of the Universe hates

history either way

America WILL survive

we MUST still fight for freedom

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God of the Universe says

ELECT socialism

let the young people see

survive the false promises

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creating MORE jobs

will spread NEW wealth around

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God of the Universe says

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stop trying to show people

how the world really works

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absurd thought -

God of the Universe says

Bush was worse than Hitler

and Stalin and Mao

and Castro combined

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All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech there can be no real freedom.

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He earned my disrespect as a man who for two decades enthusiastically participated in a church whose leader vociferated America to be a fundamentally evil nation. The fact that he gave a half-hearted rebuke to Jeremiah Wright in the middle of a Presidential campaign instead of outright disowning him only increased that disrespect. It should have been obvious to any idiot who gave a damn (including the curiously esteemed Colin Powell) that his response was cynical calculation. Utterly disengenuous.

He is not my President either. He will have to behave quite extraordinarily to be my President.

This country has just been hustled. I can think of no more appropriate word. In it's anger at the Bush administration and it's fear over the financial crisis it allowed it's collective faculties to become warped and thereby exploited. It lashed out impulsively in a fantastically self-destructive fashion. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the scope of all this, it's true significance. As disturbing as the mentality of the man they chose is, the mentality of the ones who made that choice is about as disturbing. Has the strong silent majority irrevocably attained minority status?

In our 232 year history we have had faced down many grave and vast threats from without. We now face a graver threat that is within, defeatable only through introspection that will hopefully lead to moral clarity. Without that, we won't be "the last best hope for man on earth". We'll simply be a portion of it's occupants.

God save the Republic.

Three generations of Marines up to my dad, who was USAF. I went Army. And I wasn't questioning your right to be here and say what you want, nor would it be my place to do so if I was so inclined. I'm a guest here too.

All I'm saying is, there's a middle ground between "rose colored glasses" and the kind of defeatism I read in the phrase "I believe that we have slipped over the edge, and that that, IS that."

If I misinterpreted, then I take it back.

I'M handing no one anything. Come see me personally, and the only thing "handed out" will be an ass into an ambulance. That was not a threat to you, apotheosis.

I will continue to do as I have my whole life: say whatever I want, whenever I want, to whoever I want. If anyone does not want me at their website, fine. I will NOT, EVER, deny reality. My glasses are scratched, but not rose colored.

I grew up having to actually fight black people. Actually fight them. I don't know anyone now who has done the same. Now, "we" buy rap "music" and celebrate "tolerance"

I am handing nothing to no one. Do not worry about my spirit, apotheosis. I was born to fighters. You?

JS -

With respect, since I can't begin to know the depth of another man's despair: what exactly do you have to look forward to, if you've already convinced yourself the game's over?

Didn't you see those messages from Kos himself, both prior to and after the election, stating in no uncertain terms that their entire goal from here on out was to crush every bit of hope out of the lives of those who dared oppose The One? And if you didn't, I assure you, that's only marginally hyperbolic.

You are handing them the victory they want. You don't have to like it, I don't. You don't have to be Pollyanna about it, I'm not. You might suspect disaster is in the wind, and yes the supreme court nominations are a grave threat.

But don't write it all off yet, man. Have some faith in the durability of the patriot's spirit even if you doubt the majority's direction.

IP-

This is beyond frustrating. I believe that we have slipped over the edge, and that that, IS that. It is not at all entertaining to listen to the "conservative" talkies, and read the "conservative" bloggers who are plotting and planning the "new and improved!" conservative wave of the future (which they will use to somehow fool the idiots who voted for this idiot, into voting for "us" next time. Sigh...), while simultaneously honoring a thoroughly dishonorable son of a bitch. The simplistically wired actually believe that in four years, Hussein will have done such a bad job that the next Reagan will reflexively spring into action and blablabla...My answer has been "so what?" The killer stroke to this once great country will be his judicial appointments. That IS end game. Add in the illegals (and yes, McCain would have done the same, probably, but would also, probably, have appointed the judges who would... God I'm tired of this...) and say "Bubye!" to any chance that "we" will win again.

I will keep reading your stuff. I think we'd have worked well together, or at the very least, had fun drinking. God bless you for actually saying the right things.

This blog post has converted me. Or perhaps more aptly put, it has AWAKENED me. It is almost as if you articulated the voice of my subconscious. I have not wanted to accept that Obama at core is who he certainly must be based on his well established history, associations, and chosen peer group. Instead I have wanted to believe that all that Obama was, must have been washed away by the trial of campaigning for and winning the Presidency. Indeed I wanted to believe that the awesome responsibilities of the office and the Constitution would convert him. I have not wanted to admit to myself that there is every reason to doubt that Obama has been or can be converted to a Constitution honoring American.

You are correct, it is he who has much to prove regarding love of America and its Constitutional foundation. And I believe it unlikely that he will make any such effort. Why should he? He won despite his open and unapologetic associations with the likes of Ayres and Acorn. America has unwittingly given its imprimatur to who Obama is. America told him, "Your fine just they way you are." Awash in Presidential power and democratic mandate, he will feel the need to prove nothing.

So while Obama is to be the President, I need not accept him as my President. I would not have accepted FDR either. (Just FDR's effort to pack the Supreme Court with jurists sympathetic to his governance was an explicit violation of his oath to uphold and protect the US Constitution and therefore worthy of impeachment.)

That said, most of my friends are liberal. They are overwhelmingly clueless as to the value of the Constitution. And they would not understand my reasoning for rejecting Obama as my President. True, they never accepted Bush (whom they considered a ‘retarded-criminal-lying-war mongering-fascist') as their President. But I simply value their friendship too much to take serious issue with their hypocrisies and delusions. And I want to keep them as friends too much as to futilely try and explain why Obama is the President but he is not my President. They already know that I am an unapologetic conservative who will never vote for a liberal. - And that is tough enough for them.

So I hope to (and believe that I can) simply avoid the denying versus affirming of my allegiance to President Obama.

All the same, I thank you Instapunk for getting me to consciously acknowledge and accept what I already knew deep down about our next President: that there is every reason to suspect that Obama will maintain a tacitly subversive disposition to the Constitution; and that therefore he is not a President that I can accept as mine.

I worry about us conservatives going KOS; those folks are vile. I worry more how principled, reasoned objections like yours are going to be spun or largely ignored in favor of the loony ones.