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Now get over to the forum (which is free for anyone to join) and try to write something that good about Donnie Darko. I bet you can't. Because it sucks.

Ah. The return of Lake.

[He doesn't know how important he is here. Don't tell him.]

Why would we need somebody who actually knows kids when we could have InstaPunk instead?

Welcome back, my friend.

A ridiculous list, well-ridiculed. It is a reflection of the distinguished professors themselves, both too narrow (Buffy?) and too broad (always, never, painting the whole class as one).

It's funny to hear references from guys who don't seem to have a handle on good references from either the past or the present.

They'd be better off simply reminding people of some things that happened in 1992, when these kids were born:

Microsoft released Windows 3.1

Ruby Ridge Federal Marshal incident occurs

Leno takes over for Johnny Carson [who? But this was meant for teachers, not the kids]

Sinead O'Connor rips up the picture of the Pope on SNL

Bill Clinton is elected for his first term...

The effect is double -- teachers and parents reading these realize how long ago yet easily remembered these events are; and they realize just how much they remember that kids these days won't have heard of, *unless educated*.

And that's the whole point -- why blame the kids if they don't know this stuff? Because they're bad learners and hate learning? Well, who's fault is that?

As a teacher, of course, I know that there is a whole spectrum of kids. There are the stupid kids who don't try and hate learning, yes. There are the smart kids who coast through with no challenges and no true learning, too. But with every year, I get a new chance to meet the kids in the middle, kids who don't know anything about anything yet but are THERE TO LEARN.

And it's my privilege to teach them, because I used to be one of them. I was almost the smart kid who coasted through, but I was finally challenged by the author of The Boomer Bible in 1996, the 11th hour of my senior year in high school -- coincidentally, the birth year of the freshmen I'll be teaching this year.

That experience led to an explosion of learning in college, far beyond my professors and their lectures. It led down every avenue -- history, literature, science, philosophy, math, computers. It led to consciousness and thought.

So yeah, we can blame the kids --- they don't know that they don't know anything yet. Who's going to tell them?

Reading this post made me think of two things. First, a kid that I taught this last year, a senior, 18 years old, one of the very kids that this list is considering, born in 1992. Throughout the year, whenever he saw me, he positively *schooled* me in his area of passion, the films of Fellini, the Italian director. He pushed me hard to watch a variety of the films, and he demonstrated that he was thinking about them. I imagine a lot of his opinions were borrowed, but through these films, he delved into Italy's fascism, the great interest in psychics in the 70's, and all aspects of Italian culture. Granted, this kid was an outsider and could be annoying at times, but he ended up being voted to speak at graduation by his class. So.

The second thing I was reminded of was this. I uses a few tricks of its own, perhaps pushing the older viewer to be intimidated or scared of the future, but it's a damn sight better than this wacky list.

Liked it? Check out versions 3 - 5, too. Also, there's a good parody of it in there somewhere.

In two weeks I start my 14th year teaching college students. Much of what has been said in this piece and the comments is true. Too many students believe that history started when they were born. Too many come to college woefully unprepared to learn. Too many are ignorant of even the basics in too many areas.

Each new year I see lists like this. I suppose the notion is to tell us dinosaurs that we are out of touch with the leaders of tomorrow. I've seen tomorrow for 13 years, and it ain't pretty.

I have a problem with a list that doesn't know the difference between a princess and a duchess. Diana was a princess, Fergie was a duchess (of York). Anyone remember the Duchess of Pork?

The just seems to me a lazy way of excusing poor teaching, of which there is way too much. I know a number of youngsters who take art, music, and actually read literature.

Who are these people?

"...there is also the message that you have to be perpetually adolescent in order to communicate with them."

Good point, Gnardo. I wonder if that's why we have so many man-children running around (myself included, of course)? Including our president.

"But there's also the idea that us old farts somehow stopped paying attention 20 years ago, that we are so stuck in the past that we have never used email on the Apple IIe computers that we sit at in our smoking jackets listening to Lawrence Welk and wishing for simpler times."

Which explains this post

The only use of a list like this is to make adults feel older and somehow out of touch. Beyond the assumption that kids will never attempt to understand the past, there is also the message that you have to be perpetually adolescent in order to communicate with them. But there's also the idea that us old farts somehow stopped paying attention 20 years ago, that we are so stuck in the past that we have never used email on the Apple IIe computers that we sit at in our smoking jackets listening to Lawrence Welk and wishing for simpler times.

I'm sorry. I may not listen to all the newest music, but I do know who Lady Gaga is. I may not watch every new TV show, but most of the ones I do watch were produced in the last five years (ten, for some series). And please--my daughter is almost 17, but Beavis and Butthead were closer to MY generation, not hers, even if MTV is ressurecting them.

And you're right: the past is mined for inspiration all the time. Although what is chosen is sometimes suprising. I mean, did the fashion of the eighties really have to come back? It was schlocky enough the first time around.

Teach them Greek via Plato and Aristotle, Latin, English via Dickens and Shakespeare, Algebra and Calculus in Highschool, and you won't have to worry about this relevance shit.

I'm in my thirties and most of my peers either don't ponder how America got to 2010 at all or think it was done in some devious, evil way that we need to make amends for, like stealing it from the Indians (as if that civilization wasn't doomed already). Can't imagine what today's kids are learning, but I don't have much exposure to them (other than my own, who haven't started school yet). I've resigned myself to facing a never ending struggle the rest of my life of telling my kids how things really are when they come home and then hoping they don't call the thought police on me, b/c no doubt they'll be hearing how their parents are all idiots and traitors to the state. I'd be interested in Lake's opinion, though, seeing as how he's a teacher.

The only reason that list is useful is for making sure you get your own kids/students to understand the significance of the different items there. And I'm referring only to the legitimate items, not Dan Quayle insults. I totally agree that it's moronic to worry about it from the sense that you have to tailor your lesson plans around Miley Cyrus. Kids have to learn to adapt to situations, not grow up thinking that reality is going to reshape itself to best suit them. Parents have to spend more money on bullshit school supplies than ever before, we're spending more and more money on education, and our kids are getting stupider. I'm all for cutting out multimedia crap and having strictly textbook learnin'. Kids need to learn how to read actual books that don't have pictures or flashy screens. And how to sit still in their fucking seats w/out ritalin or sedatives.

I think this list says far more about the wishful thinking of professors who concocted it than the kids they're addressing. I'm frequently exposed to the conversations of high schoolers in my own home via my daughter and her friends, and they have far more awareness of the past than this list suggests.

And as for its hoped-for effects on their "curriculum", you don't keep kids' attention by talking down to them or telling them what they already know, you keep it by challenging them with new ideas. And woe betide the poor deluded prof who thinks he's going to earn the kids' respect by using their lingo, name-checking their current celebs, or (God help him) converse in chatspeak.

Act your age, and acknowledge that it's not the same as theirs.